He was an operator for Anadarko. Did she even go upstairs to sleep? If the girls were dead by ca. One of the unknowns in this case is why Watts did what he did. And the fact that theyd had a bankruptcy in 2015 apparently hadnt helped her wise up at all. I wouldnt throw that out the window. 1. There is no sympathy for that psychopath period. He was asleep. Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. There is supposed to be a black smear mark on one of her pillows, possibly from makeup she was wearing, indicating that she was crying. She wouldnt have gone to bed without her phone. In theory, you should find some evidence, which did not find. Hopefully, one day we will know the whole truth of what was really going on in the lives of this tragic family; will one of the villains turn out to be MLM? B . I just dont get it. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! They then start putting the idea in his head what happened, did one of the kids die & Shannan killed the other one & herself? It was all a complete lie. Thanks! Jami, doesnt make sense. As far as OCD I dont believe she had it This shows how little insight you have into this case, and into who Shanan was in particular. I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! No. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! All these people do is lie. Celestes was similar. If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. Bella and Celeste were thrown away, the prosecutor said adding that investigators found scratch marks on one of the girls bodies and tufts of hair on the opening to one of the oil tanks, the television station reported. Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. @nickdvl. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. Kaye, this sounds plausible. I dont think enough people are looking at the theory that Chris had flipped a switch with her in the days leading to her death. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? In the autopsy Shannan was found to be still wearing a bra. From what I understand its not possible to swallow fluids once youre dead. Subdued and buried alive perhaps? D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. Bellas covers were pulled off and she was just lying in bed. He snapped and I was terrified of him. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. Along comes NK, (a pig in her own right) who rocked ol Christophers world! The children were in 20 foot tanks with hatches on top. I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. Its hard to fight a larger man off of you when held down, in fear of dying and trying to gasp for air. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. If the oil got into her stomach by being submerged in the tank then shouldnt CeCe have oil in her system too. stop, stop. . @Nick, regarding OCD. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. No matter the circumstances he killed not 3 but 4 people including his unborn child. No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. Under anaerobic conditions (absence of free oxygen) acids such as lactic acid, acetic acid and butyric acid are produced during decomposition, as well as a number of alcohols which include butyl alcohol, ethyl alcohol and acetone. And to come home to a cheating bum! parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. From their text messages & hers to friends you can tell he was trying to make her believe they had a chance & things were getting better. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. She also had Lupus, and was 15-16 weeks pregnant, which could have been the reason why she wasnt feeling well. He has an incredible amount of knowledge and has a lot of experience being an investigative reporter and author of many blogs and books. Do you think Shanann was the type of person to leave her suitcase downstairs and just go to bed? Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. In the case of Lacey Peterson, fecal matter *was* found in the house. while he killed them one after another. Who and/or what are we dealing with here? And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. I love that guy. 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. He stated in a letter to the reporter woman that he remembers her face streaking with mascara and blood filling her eyes. I love the way people just make things up and state it as fact, even when it completely opposes evidence in the case. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. Like someone took over his body. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. First off she was supposed to have been in a rage enough to have been snuffing the life out of her daughter & then when she sees the object of her rage that caused this who then starts to fight with her & strangle her she doesnt dig her nails into him anywhere? How was she with her phone? I do believe that she may have been the one who smothered the children because she was so controlling, according to friends and family, that she didnt want another woman around her kids. Chris and or others..I tend to agreeShan ann was imodefinitely disabled at some pointBella maybe not..she fought hard. The autopsy also made no references to elevated levels of any Thrive-related chemicals. Shanann had extensive injuries to her neck. I think despite her bravado, she had insecurities just like everyone else, with both herself, and her roles as wife and mother AND someone working in an MLM. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. Her neck muscles had been bruised and the manner of death was deemed a homicide. Once Shanann got in bed and settled to sleep, he then got on her and, like a snake, squeezed the life out of his prey. The ground was visible disturbed. Did anyone explain that? Police photoA sheet was found near where Shanann was buried. Was Niko Buried With Shan'ann Watts? He asked to speak to his father before confessing. Straight up facts. My husband is 62, weighs 190 lb. Diana, this is something several of us have noted as well. This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. Then again she was dressed for bed. She was calling him honey, and being all lovey dovey in her messages to him all weekend. yes, that is great, there is no mention at all that there was any of the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge that was in Bellas stomach, thankyou for pointing that out Nick. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. Good point! There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. Lastly, he lies constantly to the police, why is this self serving story all of the sudden believable? Had he planned this out, he would have killed them earlier, left in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of the bodiesnot as the sun was coming up as seen in the tape. Do you think youre asking for reasonable evidence that would be commonplace and easy to produce? Where was all the money from that house? In the majority of cases of asphyxiation, petechiae are formed, and Shanann exhibited none. I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. Does this mean Bella was still alive when she was dropped into the tank? So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. Im enjoying this site (first visit) and thanks for listening. Or even creepier, but fitting the narcissist he is, asked her to lie down and talk to him, maybe even told her he was sorry and wanted to try and work things out and then pinned her down and strangled her. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. If you look at the autopsy report she has purple round spots on 1 side of her face from the chin to the temple which could be his knuckles from a punch as well as a 1 handed strangulation. From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. The Watts murders got to me also. There is a text I think to chris. She also wanted to make her marriage work. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. The full autopsy reports are included below: Watts Aggregate Autopsy Reports by EKilloran on Scribd, MANHUNT: Hobby Lobby Distribution Center Manager Shot Dead in Altercation With Employee, 16-Year-Old High School Student Fatally Stabbed in Classroom Fight, Young Child FaceTimes for Help After 4 Members of Family Slain, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time, In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. He just switched. Inhaling ethanol fumes would make them all instant drunk and completely defenseless. in any case, who the hell trusts anything coming from Chris Watts? Colorado is very rural. Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. Weld County DA In the text, Shanann also tells Chris that he hasn't shown any signs of missing her in the weeks they have been apart. If CW is the type of father that would never hurt his girls, then his behavior after pulling Shannan off CeCe would be to call 911, try CPR ( he had classes at work) When non murderous parents are confronted with the loss or potential loss of their children they get desperate. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. Was Shanann ever clinically diagnosed with OCD by a physician or a psychiatrist? 1. That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. I would put the blame on Chris! Want to keep up with the latest. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. Required fields are marked *. Chris was ocd also. Time of death for all three victims is unknown. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). To do her business? I was writing in a passion. It kills me because its pretty clear they went to bed like normal and were awoken to find him killing them. Similarly, the anxiety caused by these obsessions can be lessened by different compulsions, such as checking (e.g., re-checking door locks, repeatedly making sure the oven is off), repeating (e.g., doing the same action or ritual over and over to be sure it was done correctly), and counting (e.g., doing things in certain numbers, counting items to certain numbers). This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. Im wondering if he had bipolar. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. She was a nag and loved making Chris look like a fool. Usually when suffocation happens, its not only quiet but you dont see the victims face, while strangulation you see it all. They said they found paper bags around both her hands. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished although decomposing Caucasian female whose appearance is generally The bra thing means nothing, my daughter is big busted as well and slept in her bra when she was pregnant because her breasts that were tender were less bothersome at night if she wore one. They probably already had an emotional conversation before she left for Phoenix and he had made up his mind to do what he did. Could Bellas mouth injuries have occurred postmortem when he shoved her through the hatch? Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? Completely empty stomach contents doesnt necessarily indicate they died when Shanann died. He said in his admissions that she deficated during the murder in thier bed, where he wrapped her in a sheet and moved her to the floor immediately- where he was interrupted by the girls waking up (after his first attempt to kill them by suffocating them in thier sleep)- the girls were killed in his truck CeCe was wearing a diaper, so even if she had deficated or urinated it would be unclear after days in the crude oil.. And Bella was likely not dead but simply unconscious again when he dumped her body- therefore, even if she did relax enough to evacuate her bowels and bladder- it wasnt until she was in the crude oil tank. He didnt flip. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. Shannann even said that he was like another person. Shanann Was Wrapped in a Sheet & Buried in a Shallow Grave That Watts Dug With a Shovel Police reportsThe crime scene. Page 582, 6. Three days after the murders, on August 16, police discovered Shanann's body in a shallow grave and the girls stuffed inside nearby oil tanks on the . I dont think I know everything, but I do know more about this case than most. Air chokes have been associated with fractures of the larynx or hyoid bone and are considered less safe than blood chokes in these applications. I believe the frenulum injury could be explained from the process of stuffing her head through the thief hatch post mortem it was a tight squeeze with the larger child. Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. Also, he usually goes to the office in the morning and then goes out to the sites but the night before he called and told a coworker he was going to the site. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. They say the questions had nothing to do with infidelity so it doesnt matter whether or not he had an affair. External bruising may have been caused by the assailant releasing the victim after killing by stranglehold, and the victim falling onto an object which would cause small circular patternation and subsequent bruising. 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