There is a glee I read here when piokolby and rich and some others come out with yet another outrageous statement about somebody. Voris then goes on to quote (without attribution) Fr. It was taking the faith seriously that led me to become sedevacantist and it is taking the faith seriously, that my family is going to hell (literally) which led me to break contact with them (as Jesus Christ directs us to do see Matt 18). Seattle, WA . A couple of years ago, I heard a solid Catholic treatment of the Holy Trinity which, in a side note, mentioned that as wonderful as this film is, the part in which the saint explains the Trinity must be ignored. Catholics are watching and waiting. And for conversions we pray for, remember that among the Christian denominations there is only one Baptism it belongs to the Catholic Church so ask the Holy Ghost to stir up in them the courage to see where the blind spots are in their profession of faith. Interesting insight. De maria. *** Dwelling in their castle of self-righteousness, they are blinded & cannot see that courageous Catholics like yourself will risk all to protect another Catholic from experiencing degradation at the hands of a wolf in sheeps clothing. Gerard Saguto, FSSP. Voris and Fisher more college are just the latest in a long line of horrors. Fortunately, I have read my way to excellent sites such as this one, if only by the grace of Almighty God. Prior to working at CNA, she was the managing web editor of Townhall.com; she has a BA in. FSSP Missions Tacoma, WA me) Die for Him? [Jesus: The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. With respect, atttempts to moderate commmenters on this site have been undertaken by other commenters here before, going back years. Terra as hes still not quite 100% in his health. Michael Voris is kidding himself if he thinks for even a moment that he is any way comparable to the SSPX as it concerns addressing the present crisis in the Church. Ad Orientem: Why is the Mass Celebrated Facing East? Grega's departure from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter could have been given. Dear Adam 95, FSSP en MEXICO - Oficial 14.7K subscribers Subscribe Like Share 1.8K views 1 year ago Esto es una pequesima muestra de lo que da identidad a la FSSP. They ignore him as youd ignore an ant at a picnic. 09:00am Holy Mass - Extraordinary Form*. If I NEVER run into another one again I will consider myself blessed. Voris and Co. no longer has an interest in urging their viewers to do that; Voris simply wants to dictate to the audience what serves him best. They dont a one-size-fits-all approach to this topic. Don't forget to buy yourself a copy here! ****** The benefit and usefulness of suffering is evident in such instances, at least in hindsight. Dear Scott, Very dear and close friends, who fought side by side with me and my family to defend the Catholic faith, have literally turned their backs on us and pretend they never even knew us. Fawning over Paul VI, Divine Mercy blather & countless other things. This isnt the behavior of a man who had a change of heart based on a new awareness of truth. Increasingly, Voriss obsession (which apparently is driven in some way by his backers, Mr. Carroll and Fr. From one not typical traditionalist to another (Im a sedevacantist, you know that radioactive, flea-bitten & lice infested group rejected by all,) I agree with lots of what you say. The modernists are suborning the so-called traditionalists. There is a growth in insight into the realities and words that are being passed on. As such, the pope can make a formal declaration of schism based upon the SSPXs refusal to accept the errors of the Council, and guess what? Copyright - Newspaper WordPress Theme by TagDiv. Why should this action with the SSPX have any meaningful import? The early Christians were hiding from the pagans in their day, says Michael Matt in this video: Nothing more and probably less. Michael Voris right now has a post up attacking the SSPX and he directly links to the FSSP site in Scotland and names Father John Emerson FSSP. than we do. Nada. Schedule is subject to changes. Are they abandoning it if they fail to adopt the same posture as the SSPX? Looking at what happened at Fisher Moore College in the light of the attacks from Voris this week and in the light of the attacks on Father Gruner the night of his death by Father Paul Nicholson this is all clearly a manifestation of the demonic. He deleted from his website any and all references to his former positions; as well as the segments that include me; a 13 part Vatican II series among them. Edmund Campion dressed up as a jeweler to avoid arrest. This is at the 4 minute mark in the video. Without Me, you can do nothing (Jn. The FSSP parish runs a school and the local diocese enforces a policy that all adults who work with children must have a criminal background check and fingerprint search. SAGUTO - Michael D., on June 12, 2009 of Syosset, NY. At one time, I am certain that Michael Voris would likewise refuse to sign such a statement. It has been my experience time and again that fellow Trads, who later support the sedevacantist position, want nothing to do with family or friends who do not take this position. This has happened more than once in America. If I found myself in a place where only an SSPX or Norvus Ordo were available, I would choose the SSPX, hands down, and I would know it was valid thanks to Fr. I applaud that. Gerard Saguto (US District Superior) and Fr. Wolfe to begin attacking the SSPX, and that posture only heightened following the election of Pope Francis. The time and place has to be taken into consideration as well. French-speaking Chaplain Father Hubert Bizard. Nevertheless, I address you here not out of disrespect, but simply because the sedevacantist position is almost always inaccurately sketched out and characterized here & elsewhere. Dayton, OH The founding document of the FSSP contains lies and heresy. Good people do not go along w/heresy. I will say this: Stay away from the FSSP, Taylor Marshall and CMTV. One reason for our personal blind spots and missing the obvious can be a lack of courage to face ourselves. rich, you bring up an important subject, if you will, when you mention the mans evasiveness regarding serious matters of Faith. In real life, the sounds I hear are absolutely luscious and absolutely glorious. Lol.it wont be happening my friend. I got news for all of us here. Saskatoon, SK You have some excellent points in your comments, but I agree with Mr. Matt on this one. The FSSP are bad actors. marian I was there in the pew EVERY time. It was simply too painful for many lay people to take. ***The aforementioned Catholics do not include the SSPX, who fit into a seperate category, not to be further delineated here, not bc it's complicated-it's not. More folly from His Vortexcellency: UPDATED. your above comments are quite smug and patronizing. Yes, I feel certain that this unfortunate behavior comes from both sides of the aisle (so to speak). Your rash judgement I hope is based on ignorance and not malice. That is why the status of the SSPX is, at this time, technically an internal matter. Once there is a formal declaration of schism, it changes the rules of engagement from an internal to an external matter. I literally admire your use of sarcasm & I must admit, its well executed & actually appreciated. I have a certain admiration for Fr. Dallas, TX With Advent upon us, the evident threats posed from the secular world compel us all to make concerted efforts to keep Jesus as the reason for the season.. Had Fisher More College been allowed to stand or fall on its own management and merits (rather than pushed by actors within and out) we might have seen a the start of a formal, independent, institutionalized meeting ground between the SSPX and sundry other traditionally inclined priests and priestly orders. What exactly is a Novus Ordo Traditionalist? Someone who favors a reform of the Reform N.O., or someone who attends a TLM as authorized under Summorum Pontificum? * Sunday Mass at St. Paul's College Chapel, Ponsonby. 3littleshepherds1, I dont mean to be evasive, but thats all I can say in justice. But when we try to support one when it does emerge, we have to be clear in holding them up to high standards of governance. Tags: Catholic Extraordinary Form, FSSP, Tridentine Mass Oklahoma City, OK No I didnt. The objective truth isnt really all that difficult to see here with respect to the Councils standing in relation to the truths of the faith as they have always been taught. Lincoln, NE has his way, they just might get one: Fairy(see) Fellay! Sedevacantism is not a religion in of of itself. There is no other way for mankind to have been saved and redeemed except through the sacrificial offering of God Himself, totally innocent and obedient, to God the Father. Just one full-communion Catholic educational environment where debate over the impact and soundness of a monumentally disruptive 50 year old council might take place? There is no doctrine, no moral apart from Him who declares Himself to the be the Truth. Regarding group #5, you said 5th group SSPX RESISTENCE 2012/2013 these are mostly priests that belong to the SSPX. But with any worthwhile risk comes the true opportunity for growth: a gaining of self-knowledge, peace, perspective, and competency. As for Michael Voris, I dont watch or follow him in any way. Faith must begin in Him, for faith is a meeting of two personalities Christ and me. Stop using deceptive language. Fr. Dear john6, Catholics are watching and waiting. I hope for the sake of the salvation of souls and the good of the Church that the whole story is known. Since the fruits got worse and worse he understood that he needed to protect souls and to warn them about the dangers to their Faith. ***That said, this includes those who wish to be Catholic. It was not accepted due to faulty translations. Sadly SSPX faithful went to a FSSP Priest (who I wont name) with problems in their marriages and the FSSP told these Catholics YOU ARE NOT MARRIED so sadly original sin being what it is one of the spouses took advantage of the error of the FSSP Priest left the family. Harrisburg, PA Gerard Saguto, FSSP and Fr. We do need to know who we can trust and who we cannot. Kansas City/Westwood, KS If you are going to give official platforms to statements rejecting the validity of Vatican II and the Pauline Missal without any public correction or disavowal, you have to be prepared to take the ecclesiastical consequences, whether theyre just or not. All the doctors had it wrong and he wasnt dead then he made up a story. Im pretty much thinking the same thing. Tyler, TX This, for the love of God & the goal of conversion. Those who have ears will hear, those who have eyes will see. Fort Worth, TX Servant of Our Lady, It was sent in by a parishoner when the FSSP got the personal parish. hi, Servant of Our Lady, Sedevacantist bishops & priests interract with other Catholics, be they SSPX, those who are in diocesan life, etc. The FSSP superiors have already been notified: http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/fr.-john-emerson-fssp-on-his-break-from-the-sspx Will the FSSP leaders act? There are some whose position gives them the duty to point out faults. His first Mass in Seattle will be on Sunday, October 5th and it will be a sung Mass. This public disputation between Verrecchio and Voris is not only interesting, but important, and is an excellent vehicle for attracting those in the margins the more rough and tumble Catholics who would not otherwise be exposed to the crisis in the Church to enter the fray. I wish I could make your comment flash in bright colors. Its as if Michael is under some kind of self-imposed gag order that prevents him from speaking on the problems with the Council and the New Mass; issues he used to address with great passion just a few short years ago. He knows very well that the Council and the new Mass both are causing people to lose the faith. The root of this schismatic act can be discerned in an incomplete and contradictory notion of Tradition. It can happen from a negative event; that is, when someone or something becomes threatened in such a way that forces us to look at it with the attention it deserves. In justice it should be known. I too have been heartbroken by M Voris recent rants against the SSPX and have diverted my financial support to Harvesting the Fruit. I have learned much from your links over the past several months and appreciate your insights. My only point was the Church today is in a dire crisis and the antics of Mr. Voris are the least of our problems. I do encourage more investigation and I hope Justice is somehow given to all those harmed by the take down of Fisher More College. Any insight you can give regarding this reaction will be appreciated. FSSP NA on YouTube I saw how they themselves maintained true & loyal friendships (which I happen to know continue to this day,) with fellow Catholics who were at odds with them w/regard to these matters. They prefer the Traditional Mass for sure but they are not going to cause any scandal to other Catholics by being disobedient to the Pope even when doing so would help to save souls. dear marian& all, I understand there is a diabolical disorientation going on, which is difficult for many priests to recover from, but devotion to the divine mercy chaplet only exacerbates the disorientation, I have noted. When I speak about the FSSP I am speaking about the group as such. The leadership of the FSSP and the Bishop of Father Paul Nicholson need to do their duty. Will the FSSP issue a public statement saying that Father Wolfe does not speak for the FSSP and his views are his own? Unfortunately, people who follow Bergoglio are not Catholic. He is EVIL. Opus dei (small d) is the lace connecting all the dots of the CMTV operation that not many people appear to be willing to look into. Im curious as to why hes no longer in charge (though im not surprised). Servant of our lady i looked at your two links and read them again. Rapid City, SD LiveMass.Net While the subjective options of Priests and the subjective problems of are friends are real and important the real questions are one of doctrine,principle and new mass. For those who are fans of the old Far Side comic strip by Gary Larson, part of his brilliance was his ability to capture how humanity is prone to missing the obvious. It might seem like a small misfortune, but that Colleges demise illustrates in spades the traps awaiting any future independent and stridently Catholic apostolate that seeks to foster unity among the trad diaspora. No the abandoning of Christ for the FSSP is a doctrinal matter: Father has done a 180 degree turn since his days in Kansas City, where I also was. Wolfe: Schism is not something that comes into being by a legal declaration. 1 of the problems we have is that if your a traditional catholic bad wording but you know what i mean then what tends to happen is you end up in one of those groups in my comment lower down. There are so many dangers coming down the pike that I find it hard to believe this issue is taking up so much air time and energy. I love the Saint so much. On behalf of all of the members of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter, the Superior General and his Council would like to express their great thanks to Fr. Just because theyre traditional in teaching and praxis doesnt mean theyll always be prudent in every respect. I read this blog daily.I may post here about 3 times a week, if that, and I would hardly consider what I do hijacking. If he so desired, in this year of mercy, to also grant them jurisdiction, TMAHICH could do so. But who gets to determine where the standard of Christ is planted? Whether an FSSP supporter is willing to admit it or not, he implicitly accepts the orthodoxy, legitimacy and/or intrinsic goodness of the Novus Ordo, ecumenism, religious liberty, communion in the hand, liturgical dance, server-ettes, Things had got worse since 1970 and the SSPX Was trying to compromise its previous postion on the council with rome order to be accepted by rome. ), Supporters of the Society are also discouraged from participating even in FSSP settings because the FSSP accepts Vatican II.. The Missive Tags: Catholic Extraordinary Form, FSSP, Tridentine Mass And yet magically, come midnight Dec. 8, 2015, zilch will, according to the pope, turn into the jurisdiction necessary to validly and licitly hear confessions and offer absolution. God bless you. Zilch. Voris goes into yet another rant about the SSPX being in schism that is so lacking in plausibility that even Karl Keating took to his own blog to criticize it! 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