Instead, they send a letter asking for more information from you and your doctors. People who are depressed are not all suicidal/homicidal freak shows hell bent on causing death and destruction to the world. The same diseases that the FAA uses to ground pilots should restrict driving. Unfortunately, nuts-deep in lighting nowwhoo.. A few pilots are apparently blatant about this but I would wager that most just tell little white lies. Military veterans should also be aware that the FAA now routinely cross-references your VA disability rating when determining your eligibility for a medical certificate. The 8500-8 of necessity must be brief and it is very difficult to get authorization to change it. The FAA is hopelessly stuck in the stone age, especially in the Aeromedical division. I am 55. Should I mention this to my AME? Doesnt this seem grossly out of proportion? https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/files/SAFE_PILOT_Testimony_july17.pdf. Everyone at some point or another you all have been diagnosed with something. Sometimes, your case can be put higher up in the stack. Question 18m. I have thought that it would be much safer if boaters and driver carried medicals. Coud be they are asking to much, to elimate the third class medical?. I was told at a young age I could not fly with one eye, but latter in life I found out I could with a medical waver. thank you, that will be $110. So do we really want 10+% of our commercial pilots to be flying with untreated major depressive disorders? Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. No, of course you should not lie to your AME, but you should find one who knows how to work with you, and the FAA, to successfully maneuver around those inevitable issues which are bound to come up from time to time during a life of flying. As for lying on the medical form, lies can be undiscovered for a lifetime of flying, but if there is an incident or accident, the FAA and/or NTSB will dredge up every doctor visit, medication, hospitalization they can. Im not saying I have a medical cert, but if I did this is what I would do. In this age of fax machines, email, twitter, facebook, linked in, etc, it is obvious that the FAA is stuck in the past. It was less rigorous than a regular over 40 physical, so I took one of those too. LSAs can kill any number in a mid-air and some on the ground as well as a passenger. Type 2 diabetes, with oral medication, receiving a special issuance every year, until this last one, when the FAA generously determined my AME could recertify me, annually, for five years. But with such a vague statement, you can see why many pilots may unintentionally get themselves into trouble. Accident investigators at every crash look for signs of incapacitation and collect items such as medication containers to try to determine if a medical reason caused the crash. I suffer from multiple personality disorder, but all of the voices affirm they are qualified pilots. It doesnt work like that in mental health cases, and probably never will. in detail and conduct a physical exam. One just hopes that the untruths are regarding minor medical issues they feel will disqualify them that wont compromise their safety as well as all others around them. I was not asked or tested for alertness. your PIC in the Cockpit might have the most serious medical condition, but will never no it thats why the federal government made the HIPPA law. Now, what other activity with a rate of death this low has a major federal bureaucracy policing it? His career was essentially over with that arrest and he killed himself because of it. Your signature at the bottom authorizes the FAA to search the National Drivers Registry for violations involving alcohol or illegal drugs, for instance, so you may want to think twice about trying to conceal a drunk driving conviction. My AME is my regular Doctor. A trip to the pulmonologist to see if you have sleep apnea and subsequent CPAP will make you lose the ticket for a long time until you have jumped through very lengthy and expensive FAA hoops. Its long and complex, but an occasional look at it, especially regarding your own health issues, is worth it. The real problem was that I also am prescribed anti-diarrhea medication and I take it as needed. But sharing them with the FAA is detrimental to your health. They are actually almost the same as for Third Class. I just wonder why? One will get a license. At a certain point there is the issue of freedom vs safety. The questionaire is so impossible to answer honestly because it uses the word ever. by Paul Engstrom, Aviation Writer and IFA Member. My AME is like a brother to me and a damn good doc to boot Lamentably, if I have something which could be a liability to me on my next medical, I can not ask my AME/best friend about my problem, and discuss it with him. I have been screwing around with Oklahoma City since May 2010 and I still really have not made a very big dent towards my certification. Well maybe a little? Wiley Post would have never passed a physical. In fact he asked me where did I see that I could make that attachment. Deaply sorry it was a dumb statement. After 30 years without a problem, one would think the risk of incapacitation is no greater than the general pilot population flying on a normal class III medical. Since my late 30s, I have taken meds to control my blood pressure. That is when the truth will come out. Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. ALTHOUGH IF I HAD ONE LITTLE INKLING OF BEING UNSAFE I WOULD QUIT. The word EVER in the forms will toss you through a buttload of psychological tests you will be sorry you were ever honest. Im a depressed individual Ive been formally diagnosed with dysthemic disorder, a long-term, low grade version of chronic depression that isnt helped with medications. I was an investigator for the CIA from 2001-2006 and armed security for CIA facilities for 4 years after that. I agree the sport licensse should include at least up to a 152, super cub and all two seat trainers. In fact, as I write this, I see over on the corner of my screen a tweet entitled Older pilots are safe pilots. Federal employees should qualify for at least a class three medical for airmen and let us toss in the medication list and drug testing for commercial drivers. The FAA is able to see what medication a pilot has been subscribed because they have access to the national prescription database. From a practical standpoint, it makes the most sense. Parasailing. Im not trying to be deceitful, but I really want to be prepared for this interview and I dont see the importance of something that wont effect flying. Pedestrian deaths 5300 One DUI is not disqualifying. Didn't even think about it. I was then a County Police Officer for 21 years. The rules here have not changed, but the enforcement will now result in a 30 day ban from APC for violations. In the FAA world view you are not telling the truth. Question:Do you think most pilots fib on applications for medical certificates? Are we the same person? Port St. Lucie, FL 34988 Every single pilot lied on their medical form. to get it straightened out. This is why sometimes it becomes necessary to avoid telling the attending physician more than is necessary least the physician spin the whole condition in different light by making a mountain out of a mole hill, thereby destroying the flying career of the pilot for something that even the physician himself or herself is not sure about. Did you know that most of the articles at Air Facts are written by readers like you? A wise man once said to me that the more you tell them the more you with have to sit through. However, the general health standards to meet a drivers license requirement would seem to be a good screening source to id potential problems of health. Good guy, good doc, been at it a long time, Im healthy and got my 3rd class. John is a Certified Flight Instructor, who for the past decade, has worked at flight schools teaching students of all ages how to fly and takes enormous pride and satisfaction seeing his students become licensed pilots. With over 20,000 hours of real world experience, much of it in Cessna 172s and P210s, Collins wrote about safety, weather and air traffic control from first-hand experience. It's better to try to resolve a condition first than to risk having your application rejected or delayed for months by the FAA. People Lie to do what they love to do. In example, if you have depression, they dont want to risk the possibility of the pilot (with depression) crashing the aircraft, when in fact flying is the only thing the pilot probably cares about. Are you serious? If you do have heart disease, you would have to continue to see your Cardiologist as well as your AME to maintain your medical. We have a very good AME in our area. Needless to say, I dont have my class 3 medical now. It sometimes gets people injured and sometimes gets people killed. Re test. So at least the medical makes we go for a check up. See Also: Do Flight Schools Drug Test Students? I have also been on a special issuance First Class Medical for three years now. I suggest that every pilot take a look at the AME Guide on the FAA website. I refer them to my TMI rule; if it was transient, dont say it. Some justify white lies by rationalizing they would just be wasting everyones time and effort by disclosing minor issues. It was good news. All three retained their medicals after appropriate medical treatment or new corrective lenses. If anyone cares to share their thoughts or any advice I would appreciate hearing from you. If you have ever been denied a medical, you still cannot go in and just use your drivers license. It is a good thing that there are no sport airplanes to rent in your location. What can some shrink tell me about myself that I dont already know? Your email address will not be published. His response was that the FAA wanted to ascertain that I was aware of the disability and take necessary actions to overcome it, In this case to use other senses to monitor the aircrafts actions, i.e. How did the terrorists that crashed into the twin towers pass a medical that I failed for COUNSELING??! When that syndrome is cured, much of what is wrong at FAA will be cured. Anyway I am long through flying now. The FAA as a whole believes all people should fly if they desire. I hesitated to contact the FAA as I didnt want to deprive this man of his dream to be a pilot but the risk of harm to himself and to others was greater than His Dream so I sent a detailed letter. In other words, your health is in your hands. What I think is if a driver goes to the DMV to go get his eyes checked then that drivers license should be his medical as his third class and it would save the government money because there wouldnt be as many pilots to go after it would just be the professionals. 13. The message the FAA should be sending to pilots in my opinion is Manage your health. With the right preparation, you can navigate the process efficiently. @Brian B. Yes, most people that love to fly do what they can to preserve their ability to do so. The smart ones do. Governmental overkill? PIDGON IN A HAWK PACK, I love what my Union representative says, You should never lie, but there are many different ways of telling the truth.. If pilots routinely lie, but its never a safety issue Pilot medicals are in the news again, with a proposal by EAA and AOPA to let more pilots use a drivers license for their medical. But, its on the list that would prevent me from passing my medical, so I did not name them. Thats a great question, Ben. A manager at a Fisdo reported to CAMI that an airman was on medication and had a long hospotible stay. From the archives: Richard Collins goes behind the scenes at Center, First solo out of the pattern: an unexpected adventure in risk management, Press on and get the job done: the aroma of deference, Friday photo: Grand Canyon wrapped in a blanket, Im going to crash! -helping a pilot in distress. A separate authorization request is required for each record released to any third party (physician, insurance company, employer, etc.) Skye, you may be a little over the top with your attitude but not by all that much. :). No he should not have been grounded. Im still going to try to jump through the medical hoops because I love to fly. Some of us just have problems in our lives that are difficult to deal with. Special Issuance hoop jumping is expensive. You just never know, and even a thorough and honest medical will never catch anything. I dont know if all pilots lie during medicals, but I do know of one who did. The big question is whether it matters. Pilots lying on the there 1st 2nd and 3rd class medicals happens all the time, and it happens just as much as people going to MEPS for the Military. You can mail or fax your request for aircraft records or Request Copies of Aircraft Records online. It is important to point out, according to the AOPA, there have been no accidents related to pilots self-certifying and flying under the Sport program, and many of those pilots Im sure, were under the same misconception as me! I just received a response from The office of Audit and Evaluations concurring the facts, stating He does not hold a current medical certification at this time, his file has been flagged for future applications. Some of the disqualifying conditions are definitely going to keep someone from getting a medical certificate, but these are illnesses such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Commercial pilots, or military pilots or leisure pilots may have lied during their lifetimes, but it is unfair to only single out the pilots. The FAA can get your records from Social Security if you are on Medicare. What are the chances you will get caught? The FAA has created an atmosphere that not only encourages problems to go unchecked and unreported, but actually makes some of those problems worse by discouraging pilots from addressing them, instead allowing them to fester. I fly a Cirrus, my wife knows how to pull the parachute. No further action by AWP-300. For instance, in the Minnesota test I have written that I dont like snakes and I was denied the 1st class medical because they thought I have a nevrotic personality. My problem is with it taking MONTHS of run around after the issue is handled to the FAAs satisfaction per the conditions they themselves tell us we need to meet. That isnt good leadership. The truly dangerous people are those that make impulsive decisions while in a dire mental health state brought on by outside factors. They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. Home | About | Contact | Copyright | Report Content | Privacy | Cookie Policy | Terms & Conditions | Sitemap. The next hell will be finding out what conditions they place on that SI. Ive been fighting to get my 3rd class for 10 years and now I think Im close to getting a special issuance. Office hours M-F 8:30am - 5:00pmOur Privacy The information request usually comes with a warning about certificate revocation and enforcement action if you do not respond within the period specified in the letter. I know there are very experienced Senior AMEs out there who may have more influence with a phone call to Oklahoma City. Hmm cant spell worth a darn mostly dumb fingers will that get me rejected??? Something like 75% of all medicals that arrive in OKC come from outside the USA. If you are currently taking any of these medications or other type of stimulant, expect your Aviation Medical Examiner (AME) to defer your application and ultimately for the FAA to deny your application until the medication is discontinued (and potentially for at least 90 days thereafter). Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. I say that based on the relative numbers discussed above. the more you say no the more you are hurting your own self. One is. I got my license back about 10 years ago. The flight will continue without further incident. These blogs are linked to your name/email be truthful but be careful. Expand the Sport Pilot Program and the sport aircraft class (Cessna 150, and other two seat trainers) and there will be no need to lie. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. Anonomous, Just makes you wonder. Driving While Impaired (DWI) from alcohol, drugs, texting and exhaustion is obviously a serious problem and every driver self certifies, there is no evidence in the National Traffic Safety Data Base, that accidents caused by preexisting health conditions and the medications used for their treatment, is a major problem. If you qualify for an FAA medical certificate, they will issue it to you at the end of your appointment, document your exam findings, and transmit your application to the FAA. If your AME does not spot anything on your physical exam, you have a clean driving record and you have never served in the military, chances are that the FAA will not question the information you submit in MedXPress. What next, psych eval, cholesterol screen for atherosclerosis, denying smokers because risk of copd exacerbation in unexpected decompression, genetic screening to predict addictive personality or anger tendency? What you dont want to do is lie. Gets Weekends Off . An airline pilot may have 500 passengers aboard while flying under stringent IFR conditions. The 3rd class medical crosses the line where freedom is unreasonably denied in the pursuit of absolute safety. Someday you might actually have a problem you cannot hide. Has anyone seen that data? There are about 450-500 deaths per year in ALL of general aviation. And the Medical Flight Test needs to be taken only once and the SODA is good indefinitely. Simply having an assault on record does not by itself result in denial. With a second class medical, itll be 12 calendar months, and if you start with the third class medical, itll be for 24 calendar months. Worth a darn mostly dumb fingers will that get me rejected?? hurting your own health issues is. Know that most of the articles at Air Facts are written by readers like you military should. Attitude but not by itself result in a dire mental health cases, and probably never chances of getting caught lying on faa medical say! 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