For being late for prayer. The man offered him a soft drink which he contrived to spill all over Williams trousers, soaking him to the skin. When isolated from what many others are enjoying (marriage, having children, etc. The first reason is that they have the power to be cruel. A "religieuse" as she is called throughout the series, she also trained as an advocate of Irish law called the Brehon law system. They were like prison officers. When expanded it provides a list of search options that will switch the search inputs to match the current selection. I carry and wear it every day and I believe many others do the same thing.. Its not easy to always be modest. Sometimes when I'm feeling down I'll go in and cuddle them and lie down and remember how we were treated, and cry. Please refresh the page or navigate to another page on the site to be automatically logged inPlease refresh your browser to be logged in, Find your bookmarks in your Independent Premium section, under my profile. Wicked City . When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century's Refugee Crisis Forced from their homeland because of famine and political upheaval, the Irish endured vehement discrimination before making. FOR MORE than 100 years, the Poor Sisters of Nazareth cared for children in the order's dozens of homes across Britain. April 2019 You could get beaten for nothing at all. Why are Nuns so mean? "All I remember is being bundled into a van which took us along a long sweeping drive to this huge Victorian house. In Ireland, the Sisters of Mercy operated, from the time of their foundation in 1831, as a series of autonomous convents, each of them subject to the authority and jurisdiction of their local bishop.For a period of 20 years from the mid-1960s onwards, a process of amalgamation was initiated by the Sisters whereby all convents in any given diocese in Ireland were gathered under a . As the result of a rape and beating by a Nun, I spent two years in a coma in hospital hiding from my mangled mind and body. I managed to buy my own house and pay the mortgage off. The extravagant Convents offered the Nuns a degree of gentile comfort, a warm room of their own, the best of food and drink, and wanting for nothing. "Twelve people . The family book I am writting has so many of these stories in it I almost hate to put them in there. In May 1983, 12-year-old Thomas was taken to Lourdes, by the local charity the Order of Malta, who frequently arranged trips for disabled children. Abuse is only broken when the cycle stops. Not once did the nuns ask why I was off school or what was wrong with me. In her absence, Philomena says, the parish priests took the children into the industrial schools, with the girls entering the Good Shepherd in Waterford. If you were scrubbing the floor and looked up you could get a whack over the head or even be kneed in the face. "There was no limit to the sexual deviance that could be engaged in with those unlucky enough to be singled out as the chosen ones.". It specifically mentioned 48 children who were part of a British government migration programme. Others have already pointed out that Nuns are denied any intimacy when they join Catholicism. Want to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? August 2021 The Nuns had complete power over the women and children and overwhelming dominance over everything in their Institutions.. Once the other boys were lined up and I was beaten with a wooden sandal on my knees and elbows. The allegations stretch back as far as 50 years and are as recent as the 1970s. July 2020 Many Nuns pretended not to see or hear what was going on around them, but instead were passive, taking refuge in their work and silent prayers. They would use canes, sticks, the leather belts around their waists. The Nuns exercised absolute power over the enslaved women and children in the Gulags that were the Magdalene Laundries and other Institutions they ran in Ireland. October 2020 Archaic teaching methods are now seen as barbaric. "We were skivvies, basically. The Nuns religious habit played an important role in the experience of power because the habitwas no longer just work clothing, but a sign of belonging to a religious community that was an elite establishment of women imbued by Irish society with power and respect. What gives? I learned than people are just human and it is not Gods fault for the injustices of mankind. These emotions can eventually turn into anger and resentment. I remember a nun in sixth grade chasing this boy around the class and into the hallway hitting him with an umbrella. 5 Top The Silver Thong Member 33.4k I am just wondering why. "Bedwetting was about the worst thing you could do. and Our Lady of Good Counsel in Yorkville, where the Sisters of Charity were), the Irish Christian Brothers that I had for high school could be a lot worse, being bigger and stronger, and having the same "philosophy" of punishment (seen by my Irish-born . Then we were beaten black and blue and made to apologise in front of the whole school.. This mission was on the Indian Reservation so the children were all Indians, of course, and they were NOT allowed to speak their native language ever. We were in our nighties and we weren't allowed to wear underwear, because the nuns considered it 'dirty'. August 2019 ), it wouldn't be hard to, Couple a sadistic personality and a whole lot of pent up sexual frustration.yeah anybody would go psycho. "Looking back, I think they really despised the children. There are a lot of expectations and rules that they have to follow, leading to stress and anxiety, which in turn leads to nuns being cruel to others. German nuns were 'pimps' for sick priests, says sexual abuse victim. There are only half as many religious sisters today as there were just a half century ago and a majority of sisters are either retired or in late middle age. I don't think they are a mean as they were back in the turn of the century, but I have had some dealings with them in the last 30 years or so and they can still be mean. A child rape victim has accused nuns at a now-shuttered Catholic children's home in Germany of "pimping" out orphans . Jealous Nuns could be jealous of the attention that Catholic Mothers get. i think they just really need to get laid, Damn nuns I don't think I have ever met a nun but damn them anyway errrrr. Her Irish mother, Mary Burke, had been staying with her brother but left five of the children there while she travelled home to get more money from her husband to extend the holiday. Why are Nuns so mean? By The victim lies prostrate on the ground, at the Nuns feet. . Unkind. I have seen programs about nuns and most of those show a wonderfull helpful loving nun who just loves the whole world. Vera lived at the home with her two sisters from the age of six months until she was 17 years old. Sometimes the really obvious take on history turns out to be the right one. Now 35 and living on Teesside, the husband and father-of-two has undergone years of therapy to overcome psychological damage he says was inflicted on him there. In between he was assigned backbreaking cleaning jobs, working up to 12 hours a day, and was physically and emotionally abused. Shortly afterwards, another trainee staff member took him around to the back of the convent, behind the bicycle shed, pulled his trousers down and raped him. You have to ask why are some women cruel because the reality is some women are cruel. So theres hope in breaking this cycle completely, thus decreasing the cruelty that some nuns display. The Irish, and nowhere more so than in America, made Catholicism a phenomenon of the English-speaking world. Priests. (9 Reasons Why). "Looking back, I think one of the reasons was that the nuns weren't happy and decided we damn well weren't going to be either. This can lead to frustration and a feeling of being trapped. The nuns join a convent for a life of prayer not teaching, nursing or looking after children in orphanages. The Turning portrays the order of the sainted nun - Mother Teresa was canonised in 2016 - as a hive of psychological abuse and coercion. In the 1901 and 1911 Census in there were about 100 inmates in the Magdalen Loundry in Galway..about 8 or 9 nuns. No one did and I was just told to follow on. I relatiated at nuns school in UK. One of these burst and burnt my foot badly, leaving a permanent scar. There are undoubtedly some nuns today who arent the nicest people in the world. Lets not forget that nuns take a vow of celibacy. Four days later, they were taken to the industrial school at Mount Carmel in Moate, Co. Westmeath, run by the Catholic nuns of the Sisters of Mercy. Nuns have hectic schedules, and the busyness doesnt leave much time to express emotions, thus leading to a lot of bottled-up emotions. Which makes you think that older women who were long time inmates were in charge of the day to day running of the Laundry. The Poor Sisters of Nazareth is one of the oldest established orders in Britain; it has been looking after children in its homes since the 1870s. It dawned on the expedition leaders that the land mass opening before them was far larger than they had anticipated, and this New World was not the tantalizing Indies. . Its not easy to keep your feelings bottled up all the time, which can lead to stress and anxiety. Content Summary. Who would believe that murder and slavery could smell so much like religion? I think that people expected nuns to be nicer, because of their religious vocation. Any child caught speaking native was punished. Today she attributes her deafness and chronic asthma to the batterings and cruelty she says she suffered there, and still cannot talk about her experiences without breaking down. March 2021 if the nuns were to blame, / So it had to be caused by a wire . We rose at 5am, did the cleaning chores, then got dressed, got breakfast and then went to school. The Nuns believed they had the right to use violence on them arbitrarily, including, if necessary, killing them. Then I was told never to tell anybody what had happened or Ill be sorry, and he took me across the road to a shop for sweets.. lol Thanks for the input. Not a day went by without someone getting a battering. It certainly isn't Catholicism. "I've tried to take my life and spent six months in a hospital after a breakdown. I was terrified the whole time and never had a happy day there. I was frequently made to sleep in the soaking sheets and humiliated in front of the other boys. Then they took the other two from her as well. Some of the Irish Nuns who ran the Magdalene Laundries had notorious reputations and were known for their extreme violence, even in many cases as we know today, beating the inmates to death. It was a poor but loving home, but in 1975, Williams world was turned upside down when Catherine buckled under the strain and left. There was church every day of the week. I think the average age for priests and nuns in the US today is like 70. But the report of the Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes in Ireland published last week after five years of work was worse . For further details of our complaints policy and to make a complaint please click this link: thesun.co.uk/editorial-complaints/, Thousands of children at Ireland's industrial schools endured years of backbreaking work and abuse, William Gorry was abused as a teenager at Mount Carmel. I remember being made to sit in a cold bath. Power incites, induces and seduces especially when used or mixed with fear. Some Nuns systematically accelerated and intensified their violent acts in the presence of another Nun, and considered it better still if she was an incoming novice. In the words of one man who had been put into a home after being abandoned by his family: "Some people say to me, 'Well, that's what it was like everywhere then', but it wasn't. 1. The "significant quantities" of remains were found in 17 out of 20 underground chambers that were examined. Kicking, you see, took the degradation of the victims to a new level. In my school the nuns, well a few of them were mean. I hear stories about the nuns from non family members too and not many people have "Found memories" of their days with the nuns. It's already been pointed out that many nuns were obviously abused themselves, sexually repressed, closeted and concealed lesbians, and so on. The Residential Institutions Redress Board, set up in 2002, received 16,500 applications for financial compensation - 15,500 of which were successful - and paid out an average of 62,000 (55,000) in sums ranging from 10,000 to 300,000. Usually there were cells at each end of the dorm where a nun would keep an eye on us, but when I was beaten there was not a nun to be seen. Catholic religious sisters, commonly (and inaccurately) called "nuns", are a declining part of American life. The rules of the Magdalene Laundries gave the Nuns the absolute authority to punish the inmates who were slave women and children. The whole idea was for those women to do penance for their sins. Are they all mean? November 2019 Some of these women and girls from middle-class backgrounds and with no professional training, were transformed into some of the most vicious Nuns running various Religious Institutions in Ireland. During the time of the French Revolution there was a Jannist, Pls explain in detail why this was a cruel society thank you, Clearly a huge part of Babylon the great! Myth: In 17th century Barbados (and elsewhere . The Nuns had been punishing this boy for not doing his chores and on that fateful night he was murdered by the Nuns. Never has been and never will be. The improvised weapons greatly increased the force of the blows and added humiliation to physical injury. Children were treated as slave labour and made to. Reports show that they suffered malnutrition and neglect, which caused the deaths of many, while others died of measles, convulsions, TB, gastroenteritis and pneumonia. The girl herself often wished to take the veil to escape the intolerable working conditions on the family farm. This can lead to a lot of unresolved issues, and these issues can eventually turn into anger and resentment. The slave trade they operated included the illegal selling of the children of the enslaved women. "On another occasion I collapsed after complaining of double vision and lost consciousness for three days. Williams story and many others like him formed the basis of the Ryan Report, published in 2009, which found that sexual and physical abuse were endemic in Irelands industrial schools. One that stands out is the story of a boy who had become very ill. I believe in God, though". 679215 Registered office: 1 London Bridge Street, London, SE1 9GF. This leads to jealousy towards those who can experience intimacy and love within a family. It is anger, suffering and self isolation.It is to sad that they scarred my family members the way they did but there is not I can do for it now. When I was young, there was a very popular record called "Sister Mary Elephant" about a nun who kept screaming at her class to "Shut up!". In some cases the Nuns even used their long heavy-duty wooden rosary beads to beat the slave women or the children. Mari Steed For many years now, stories about the conditions at the now-shuttered Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home in Tuam, Ireland, have circulated among locals. June 2018 And thats a good thing for everyone involved. Two Irish hermit nuns have received public donations of over 77,000 ($93,300) to . Their livesand later their deathshad been shrouded. Many of those alleging physical, and to some extent sexual, abuse are now elderly people who say their entire lives have been affected by what they endured as children. I saw boys picked up by the throat by a nun for disobedience in line changing classes in Catholic school. No goodbyes. Today it is different, but I believe the stories I have been told. If they see other nuns being cruel, they may think its okay to act the same way. She became one of thousands of Roman Catholic women who were locked up in Ireland in the 1950s and 1960s for being pregnant and unmarried, many in institutions run by fiercely unforgiving nuns . ), it wouldn't be hard to see why some Nuns are high-strung. And of course the whole story fits wonderfully into the larger stories of Irish nuns as heartless and cruel, which many undoubtedly were. But the nun wasn't looking for someone to help her. Nuns indeed put in a lot of hard work. Across thousands of miles, across decades, the abuse took eerily similar forms: People who grew up in orphanages said they were made to kneel or stand for hours, sometimes with their arms straight out, sometimes holding their boots or some other item. "You were thrashed about the feet, head and hands, you had your hair pulled and your head bounced off the walls. I was told that I was useless, stupid, blind and hopeless, nobody would love or want me. "I don't think I saw Sister Laurence ever smile. "They only did it to make loads of money and to put you to work, to shame you and make you feel like nothing.. This passivity of refusing to see, hear or not acting to intervene really amounted to silent approval. I was asked to go but I refused, says William. Unexplained-Mysteries.com I wish all devout Catholics would do the same. The nuns from the Good Shepherd were called, she says. The terror so enthusiastically applied by the Religious Nuns who ran the Magdalene Laundries was very real for the Survivors of such Institutions. There was kissing, fondling, sucking and penetration, things that I still find very difficult to talk about, he says, emotion choking his voice. Nowadays, since the 1970ies women had access to contracepton and nowadays abortionbeing a lone parent is acceptable and even part of the norm. It was only later I realised that you didn't bruise so badly there. They were not battleaxes or crones. Within them, however, nobody could escape the interlaced structure of these complex power relations. It gives a good idea of the standard of care. In fact, on my senior week being stalked by a stranger, my Catholic sisters refused to help me or protect me. "The only thing I learned to do there was fight, and when I come across a nun today I avoid them because I cannot be civil. There was an horrific regime of abuse by the head nun, he says. 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